You can’t think about something if you can’t talk about it, says Eula Biss. The writer helpfully opens up lived words and ideas like complacence, guilt, andopportunity hoarding for an urgent reckoning with whiteness. This conversation was inspired by her 2015 essay in The New York Times, White Debt. This podcast is from On Being with Krista Tippett, in Conversation with Eula Biss, 'Talking about Whiteness'.

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